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Based on this diagram you can clearly see that Canadians are GODLESS heathens.
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| written by: & at 2008-01-21 04:32:37 | reply to this
I was just joking. Didn't mean to start a fire. In reality I like Canadians, they are some of the friendliest people, next to Norwegians.
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| written by: & at 2008-01-21 21:13:45 | reply to this
Always thought Canadians were more sane than people from the US. The chart indicates the same.
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| written by: manfred at 2008-04-07 02:39:25 | reply to this
It would seem, according to history at least, that the godless are less of a heathen then the religious.
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| written by: combat_medic at 2008-01-21 10:33:02 | reply to this
It would seem, according to history at least, that the godless are less of a heathen then the religious
Ahh. That must be why Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, both Kims, and other atheists killed about 100 million last century.
Ahh. That must be why Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, both Kims, and other atheists killed about 100 million last century.
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| written by: Stephen at 2008-01-21 12:07:03 | reply to this
And I suppose Hitler, a professed Christian, is just not going to be included in this conversation.
Name me a single war that is occurring right now that is not based on religion, and I will consider that opinion.
Name me a single war that is occurring right now that is not based on religion, and I will consider that opinion.
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| written by: Blayze Kohime at 2008-01-21 14:02:20 | reply to this
Hey Bob, I care!! And its easy - less than these, who died in the attacks of the World Trade Center withhin minutes... And the Age of Imperialism was created by the industrialism, which needed ressources, not because of religion, religion was just the name in which it happened to prove the rightness of the war to not well informed people. War is made to gain power, in the name, but not in the sense of religion. Even the crusades were made to gain power, just look at the 4th one!! And to your source: This statistic lies, and I have a simple reason to say that: The least religious countries in the world are the most developed ones, the poor ones like South America, Africa, and wide parts of Asia are more religious. Of course these are the countries without the institutions to control homicide rates, teen pregnancies, the abortions, etc., the developed ones can. SO: It is true that the least a country is, the smaller the rates of ..., but these are NOT BECAUSE OF RELIGION. Therefore it seems combat medic is NOT PROOVED BY YOUR STATEMENT. Greetings, Peter.
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| written by: Peter at 2008-01-21 23:25:27 | reply to this
You didn't do what I had asked. Besides, 9-11 was a direct result of religion if you hadn't noticed. Also, the age of imperialism had very much religious undertones. The imperialist countries felt the need to tame those heathen savages who didn't share their religion. Religion wasn't the only part of it, but it did play a big role. Also, you are simply making a post hoc rationalization of their motives and whatnot. You can say that all you want, but the fact is that people very much wanted to spread their religion to other countries and whatnot. As for the statistics, you OBVIOUSLY didn't even skim the journal article. They looked EXCLUSIVELY at the industrialized countries, and the US often came out as having the worst morality while being the most religious.
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| written by: bob at 2008-01-21 23:35:18 | reply to this
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| written by: Peter at 2008-01-22 03:22:28 | show this comment
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I did not say that 9-11 was NOT a result of religious activity - I just tried to say (and I admit, I formulated the sentence confusing) that less people died in 400 Years of Inquisition, than in 9-11. OK, and in the article, Bob, I am tired and dont want to repeat myself, so I just mention that a religious person knows: You shalt not kill. ... speaks for itself, doesn't it?? You may now say that, however, the believe in God has bad influence in the people, but a person, who really believes in God hardly can do something against his laws, can he?? Well, I finally believe that there is no relation between it, other factors are playing the influencing part in here. After all the imperial politics was not religiously motivated, it was said it would be in the name of God to be supported by, excuse me, stupid people. Without the economical aspect a lot of bloody wars were not fought, and, consider this, even christian lands like Ethiopia were invaded by the religious country Italy (!), so half middle east by the Osman Empire, and New France by England. Religion was the coat, under the war was played...
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| written by: Peter at 2008-01-22 03:49:44 | reply to this
By saying that a TRULY religious person wouldn't do something or other, you are making the "no true Scotsman fallacy". There are SO many things which you do that would probably label you as a non-true-christian by some christians. You could even make the case that really, nobody is a true christian nowadays because they don't stone people to death for breaking certain rules (adultry, disrespectful children, etc), or they wear clothes made from different textiles, or they eat shellfish, etc. You could also make the argument that people who believe in god are more likely to kill, because they believe in an afterlife and so they don't value life as much as we atheists, etc. The point is, you can't just pick and choose. The fact is that the more religious an industrialized country is, the less moral they are. You are basically imposing your own post-hoc rationalization on present facts and historical facts. Unless you have some real evidence to back them up, I think further discussion is pointless.
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| written by: bob at 2008-01-22 04:27:23 | reply to this
You can say that all you want, but he did quote the Christian God as a reason for killing the Jews. The Axis powers are actually one of the main reasons that Catholic Church is so powerful today, they funded each other quite a lot.
Iraq IS based on religion, Bush has been quoted as saying that he was on a mission from God.
See that's the whole point. The people in power over government and religion don't have to BE religious to USE religion against you. Christianity in its purest form is just fine, even if incorrect, but almost no one knows what that means anymore.
Iraq IS based on religion, Bush has been quoted as saying that he was on a mission from God.
See that's the whole point. The people in power over government and religion don't have to BE religious to USE religion against you. Christianity in its purest form is just fine, even if incorrect, but almost no one knows what that means anymore.
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| written by: BlayzeKohime at 2008-02-08 15:33:12 | reply to this
A president waging war who says he is on a mission from God scares the hell out of me. To me that is just as insane as saying that the imps in the forest makes you do it...
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| written by: manfred at 2008-04-07 02:43:37 | reply to this
I agree with you Bob, and I'm afraid it's impossible to reason someone out of an opinion they havent reasoned themselves into...
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| written by: manfred at 2008-04-07 02:53:32 | reply to this
Problem with this is that its based on Church records, and Churches tend to cling to membership. I'm still listed as Baptist at one Church in Georgia, even though I haven't been since I was a child (which means I wasn't ever, since most ten year olds don't really make judgments above "Mommy told me to")
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| written by: Blayze Kohime at 2008-01-21 14:01:09 | reply to this
I recall a political cartoon which was published in a UK paper shortly after Bush Jr.'s re-election...which showed the North American continent as "The United States of Canada" (comprised of all of Canada and roughly the north-half of the USA) and "Jesusland" (comprised of the Bible-belt). I just shake my head at the hypocritical-ness of most of the US.
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| written by: Rick at 2008-01-21 15:03:30 | reply to this
Religion is just another way to differentiate yourself from one another.
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| written by: Doh at 2008-01-24 09:32:32 | reply to this
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| written by: huh? at 2008-02-01 02:19:08 | show this comment
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Yeah yeah, "sigh.. this gets old" and then you turn right back around and start insulting atheists. It's amazing you didn't see the irony. You clearly don't even know what a religion is. You're like those ignoramuses who say science is a religion. Why don't you go find out what religion and atheism ACTUALLY are before making such stupid comments?
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| written by: bob at 2008-02-01 03:22:59 | reply to this
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| written by: Wanda at 2008-03-02 23:29:19 | show this comment
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i wanted to comment but after reading your comenst i just got tired
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| written by: JS from LA at 2008-03-02 23:38:50 | reply to this
Geez Bob..when are you gonna learn ?...you think you can reason with these people? None of what they believe or say has anything to do with reason or logic...save your energy...go drink a beer, read a book, go sailing, watch a ball game,hang out with your lady friend...religion will eventually just kind of fade away..kind of like communism..because of it's internal inconsistencies it'll just finally get to the point where nobody will pay much attention to it anymore..
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| written by: patito at 2008-04-07 04:09:34 | reply to this
:(... I guess I just have too much hope in humanity. Aren't I allowed even ONE irrational belief? :P..... Seriously though, just how do you suppose religion will "just kind of fade away"? It's lasted thousands and thousands of years. Even if it would eventually fade away, I think that the more people speak out against religion, the faster it will disappear. Just sitting idly by doing nothing just reinforces their own views because nobody challenges them. Maybe I won't be able to reason with the fundie idiots, but I'm sure that at least SOME people are rational enough to read my (and other people's) comments and really think about the arguments. I think younger people are open minded enough. Besides, I don't just argue with people for them, I also do it for me. I owe a LOT of my education to debates (if there is ANYTHING nice I have to say about creationists, is that they most certainly are responsible for me being who I am today), and it's just in my nature. I enjoy debating, and I refuse to let irrationality go unanswered.
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| written by: bob1 at 2008-04-07 04:46:08 | reply to this
American are so spiritual !!!
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| written by: roughRider at 2008-09-01 22:29:45 | reply to this
